Anna S. E. Lundberg

Coach, Speaker, Writer

Fearless Fridays: From Escape the City to escaping the country

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Fearless Fridays with Jay DikeIt’s a short month, February, and so it’s already time for our next Fearless Fridays interview! This one is with Jay Dike, who had just popped over to Boulder, Colorado when we spoke a few months ago. He is now enjoying the freedom of being able to make spontaneous decisions like this one, as well as taking days off to go skiing, as compared to the more rigid confines of the nine to five.

The decision to go off on his own was sparked when Jay was made redundant and this gave him the extra push he needed to explore the ideas that had long been at the back of his head. Jay speaks honestly about the financial uncertainty and reliance on his savings that have characterised the first few months of his freelancing and entrepreneurial career, given that he hadn’t had the time to build up a new business alongside his job.

Jay also gives some great advice around leveraging your network and knowing when it’s time to shut down your laptop and take a break (or go to bed!).

Watch the full interview or read an abridged version below!

Leaving a corporate job behind to follow your passion: From Escape the City to escaping the country

Jay DikeJay Dike was working at Escape the City, having been in roles including sales as well as housing and construction, when he was made redundant around a year ago – and took this as an opportunity to leave the nine to five. His background had given him a diverse range of experience and expertise including customer services, sales and marketing, and design. Today, he’s running an adventure company where he’s trying to bring people together and guide them on unique trips around the world; he works as a photographer; and he does little projects here and there in various industries.

1) At what moment did you decide it was time for a change?

The decision was actually made for me: I was made redundant from my job. I was working with Escape The City – I’m sure many of your viewers will know them. They’re a fantastic company but there were some issues and I was made redundant.

There had always been a little idea in the back of my mind, to have the freedom to go freelance and create my own income. I suppose when I was made redundant it was the fire under my arse to make me do it. I didn’t want to go into another nine-to-five job. I didn’t really want a remote job with one company either; I wanted to try things out and explore my curiosities.

So the decision was made for me, and I’m glad it was! I don’t know how long it would have taken me to actually say, “Let’s quit and try something myself!” Having said that, I would have liked to have the option to keep a full-time job and start something on the side, and make that transition more slowly – rather than cutting it off and starting immediately.

2) What was the biggest challenge you faced in making the change?

Jay Dike travelling
Jay is definitely making the most of his freedom to travel the world as and when he wants…

Probably uncertainty. I’ve been battling with uncertainty and not really knowing where the next paycheck is going to come from, where the next gig is going to come from. In all honesty, and I don’t know how many people talk about this, but financially it has been a huge struggle. Throughout having a full-time job, I’ve always had my savings – which I never touched, they’ve just always been there. It’s the other way around at the moment: I’m living on my savings and whatever I’m earning has just gone to try to replenish what I’m spending. I suppose I’ve only got myself to blame, spending my money travelling!

So those would be the two biggest things: the uncertainty, and the financial side. I’m trying to keep on top of it all – expense tracking and income tracking, budgeting, that kind of thing. I’ve never done that before, so learning how to do all that has certainly been a new experience.

I also feel like an imposter sometimes. You may have to deal with some sort of project or piece of work that you don’t really know a lot about – but you don’t want to say that and you just need to figure it out for yourself!

3) Where did you get the support you needed to make it happen?

I suppose I was quite lucky with that since, coming from Escape the City, I was surrounded by like-minded and very open, caring people. They have knowledge of the freelancing world and experience in dealing with all the common blockers and struggles that freelancers deal with. Over the eight months to a year that I worked with them, I made some really good friends. They supported me a lot and they were quite active in helping me figure out what it was that I wanted to do next, and how to get there as well. When it came to finding clients, there’s specifically one friend, Johnny, who helped me a lot.

In terms of emotional support, that was a mixture of three of my very good friends who are all entrepreneurs themselves. They’ve each started companies, and failed companies, so I was very much a newbie and they were the ‘big dogs’ who knew all about this world. They were very supportive and were there for me to lean on.

Other than that: Google, YouTube, and just figuring stuff out! I spent hours on my laptop just reading and writing.

I also started meditating, and that really helps to keep your mind clear. I went on a ten-day silent retreat – I could talk about that for an hour! – and it really helped to channel my mental energy and focus on the things that I wanted to achieve.

4) What’s the best part of your lifestyle today?

Jay Dike photographer
What a picture!

It’s probably in having the freedom to be where I want to be, and go where I want to go. I’m in Boulder, Colorado, at the moment and I didn’t expect to be here – it was literally a four-day decision. A friend of mine was coming here and I had just become homeless, so it was either do the cliché thing and go to Bali… or come out to Boulder! I had that freedom: I didn’t have to tell my boss that I wanted to go to Boulder, and I didn’t have to see if I had any leave available. I just packed my one bag and came out here.

Also on the freedom side of things, it’s not having to do the nine to five, Monday to Friday. For instance, tomorrow, I’m going skiing the entire day. Whilst I’ll probably be thinking about all the work I’ve got to do while skiing, I can still do it! I can come back in the evening and get some work done then.

A very close second to the freedom aspect would be the connections and the friendships, all the relationships that I’ve formed with people. I have never met and conversed with so many smart and interesting people in such a short space of time. As freelancers, we all need each other to lean on, to find clients, to find advice, and to find solutions to problems. It creates this community both online and offline, and I really love that aspect of it.

My short-term goal is to do the whole ‘van life’ thing. It helps to not have to pay rent! I do want to see a lot more of the world, travel a lot more. At the same time, I also like the concept of having a base for when I just want to switch off from travelling and not showering for four days! To be able to just go home, to my own bed, and have my own stuff. So I’m looking for a balance between those two things, I suppose.

5) What one piece of advice would you give to someone who is considering making a big career or lifestyle change?

I would probably say to really rely on your connections and your ability to be open and gregarious with people. The whole freelancing world, finding clients and being successful, is all about those connections and those networks that you have. You want to be open and giving but also let yourself do some taking every now and then! It’s a reciprocal thing, you ‘pass it forward’. So, all those connections in the past that you’ve made, maybe you haven’t spoken to them in a few years – open those up again, see who’s out there, who needs help and who can help you.

Also, get on top of your finances – don’t let it slip before you realise, “oh, shit, I’ve got no money!” Start doing that now, that’s one of the most important things. And always put money aside for tax – don’t let that catch you up.

Another piece of advice is to set a time in the evening to close your laptop. It’s quite often that I end up working – and I’m not an evening person – until 10pm, 11pm, 12am, and the next thing you know I’m a bit spaced out and the next morning, I’m slower. I think it’s important just to be able to really switch off sometimes.

There’s an overwhelming sense of stuff to do – I suppose we always have these big projects that we want to achieve and we set a certain amount of stuff we want to do in one day. Then there’s always admin, and all those little things – the articles you want to read, a photo you want to post to Instagram, researching what new camera you want to buy… or whatever it might be. You end up falling into a rabbit hole. It’s about knowing when to say: “this can be done tomorrow” or “this can be done within the month”. It doesn’t have to be done right now!

There’s a great quote by Ernest Hemingway around always finishing your sentence half written, so that when you wake up the next day, you immediately fall back into that zone:

“The best way is always to stop when you are going good and when you know what will happen next. If you do that every day when you are writing a novel you will never be stuck. That is the most valuable thing I can tell you so try to remember it.”

I think it’s the same with any task – finish halfway through something, so that you know where to start next time!

You can find Jay on Instagram and on his photography website. You can also find his adventure company at Adventure Goat.

 

Fearless Fridays: Running off to join the circus

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Fearless Fridays with Jo SymoAfter a bit of a break over Christmas, we’re back with Fearless Fridays – and we’re back with a bang! Jo Symo left her job and ran off to join the circus. No, really. She actually joined the circus.

Now that sounds a bit flippant and maybe a bit mad, but the truth is that Jo has been really quite sensible in executing her career transition. She started by taking a few trips here and there, gradually going on more and more adventures, until she had caught the travel bug to the point that she quit her job to join the circus in Australia.

The circus experience showed Jo how many possibilities there were out there in the world, and after another brief stint in the UK working in a leadership and development role she headed off again, this time for 14 months. She volunteered at a camp for people with disabilities in Colorado, travelled from Alaska right down to Panama, and then headed back to that camp having had some an amazing experience the first time round.

When I spoke to her, Jo was back at home doing a five-month contract. This is enough to clear her debts and to pay for the next adventure. As this post goes live, she’s just arrived in Norway as part of an all-female expedition to cross the Finnmark Plateau. Next month, she’s heading back to the circus for a couple of months, and then she has another three-month contract lined up.

I can’t possibly capture our whole chat and all the things that Jo’s been up to in the write-up, so please do watch the full video interview!

 

Leaving a corporate job to follow your passion: Running off to join the circus

Jo Symo

Jo Symo is a leadership expert in the corporate world who helps all levels of managers lead their people to greater success. For a while, when she was tiring of her work, she started going on adventures, travelling… and then joined the circus in Australia! She was the one in the top hat out in front of the tent, bringing people in to see the show. Since then, she has continued to alternate travel and circus antics on the one hand with contract work back in the UK to pay for those adventures.

1) At what moment did you decide it was time for a change?

Well, I think I made a pretty massive change when I left an abusive relationship seven years ago, and I just got my head down, and was rebuilding a life, really. Then, I settled down and I got on a flat, and I kitted it all out again. I made this little home, and then I was going away for lots of weekends. Then, I went to Canada for a while. All the while, it was building in me that I just didn’t want to sit still anymore. I’d been sitting still for long enough.

A couple of things happened at work. My team was made redundant, which meant that I left that business. I got some money coming in, and it all seemed to be pointing in the right direction. It felt like it was time to go and see a bit more of the world, really.

On my last day, my colleagues put up pictures of big tops, and circuses, and people were asking:

“Where’s Jo going?”

“Well, she’s going to join the circus.”

“No, really. Where’s she going? What’s she going to do?”

“Yes, really! She’s going to join the circus.”

I find people are split into two camps, really. Either they’ll say, “Wow, I would love to go and do that!” Or others will ask, “What are you wasting your life doing that for?” Quite frankly, I just ignore those people.

It’s my life. I’ve no responsibilities. I have no children. Why can’t I do what I want to do? I’m not bothering anybody. So I’m ignoring the naysayers, and just going and hanging out with people who want to come and do crazy stuff with me, or just want to hear my stories.

2) What was the biggest challenge you faced in making the change?

I think it was deciding where to go and what to do. I’m still coming back doing these contracts, and I’m working hard, so I want the money I’m making here to go as far as I can, and to see as much as I want to.

Another big challenge is being able to catch up with friends and family. I don’t feel like I’m spending enough time with people, because when I’m in the UK, I’m just trying to see everybody. So the biggest challenge is probably trying to juggle the adventures, friends and family, and work.

I’ve been very lucky on the money side. My CV is strong, and people contact me about work. I’m not chasing work, which I think is very fortunate, and maybe a bit unusual.

But they keep wanting me to go permanent, and that just fills me with dread. I’ve agreed to three months, and then we’re going to have to talk, because I planned a bit of a European road trip I want to disappear on. It does feel odd to turn work down. There’s that part of me that’s thinks, “Someone’s offering me work. Maybe I should just go and get another flat…” – but no!

3) Where did you get the support you needed to make it happen?

I’ve just got the most amazing friends and family, who have stopped rolling their eyes when I say I’m going to do something. One of my friends, who I cancelled on the other day when I forgot I had a mud run on, just responded, “Of course you have! We’ll do it another day.”

I’m incredibly lucky that I have an amazing family who always have a room for me, where I do contribute but it’s the price of having my own place anymore. So, I don’t have to worry about that so much. I live with my aunt and my uncle, and when I came up with the idea of walking across Central America, my aunt just said, “Sounds great. Go and do it. Just be safe.”

I also have my brother, who totally supports what I do, but just wants me to do a bit more work for his business!

I have other friends who live vicariously through me, so will be egging me on to go and do stuff. Then, the more you do… I feel like I’ve got friends all over the world now. So the more I go out and do, and see, and talk to people, the more people I have in different places.

So, I’m really, really lucky that I have all of these people around me saying, “Go for it!”

4) What’s the best part of your lifestyle today?

Jo Symo travellingI like the flexibility. I like the fact that when people say, “Do you fancy this?” or when I see something on Facebook, I can just say, “Well, actually, do the dates work?” That’s really what I’m looking at, rather than when I used to sit there thinking, “Oh, I’ve got to pay the rent. I’ve got the bills coming in…”

Also, the amazing people that I get to meet all around the world, who are happy to chat to this crazy English girl, and make me feel really welcome.

5) What one piece of advice would you give to someone who is considering making a big career or lifestyle change?

Just do it.

You can sit there and work out the sums, and work out what you owe, and what you don’t owe; and what you’ve got to earn, and what you don’t; and it’s all irrelevant. My mum always said to me that you can never afford what you want to do. When people say, “I can’t afford to have a child,” she’d respond, “Well, when can you, unless you win the lottery?”

“Oh, I can’t afford to do this…”

Well, when can you?

Life is really, really short. I would rather regret the things that I did do than the things that I didn’t. So far, I’m not regretting them.

So just go for it. Give it a go. What’s the worst that could happen? You end up where you were – but at least you’ve had fun trying.

 

You can find out about Jo’s new project ‘My Great Escape’, aimed at getting survivors of domestic abuse out into the great outdoors for healing, adventure, and a bit of a challenge chucked in as well, on Facebook and on the website. Follow her other adventures on her own Facebook page.

 

Fearless Fridays: From burnout to a better way

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Fearless Fridays with Thomas SmallwoodThis month’s Fearless Fridays interview is with Thomas Smallwood, one of a number of upcoming interviewees I ‘picked up’ recently over in the adventurous Yes Tribe (along with George from a few weeks ago as well). Although he didn’t necessarily follow the typical corporate career path after school, the symptoms are familiar: excessive stress, feeling unhappy, and losing the love for what he was doing. In 2016, he quit and gave himself a year to re-design his life.

Although an ongoing process, the re-design has been taking form and, as he describes on his website, Tom is now “Entrepreneur, Blogger, Mountain Enthusiast and Bibliophile”. In the interview, we talk about the messiness of the process, first in deciding to make a change and then in planning and implementing that change. What it boils down to, though, is simple: “If you’re not happy, have a think about what would make you happy!”

Watch the video for the full interview or read on to discover more about Tom’s experience below.

Leaving a corporate job behind to follow your passion: From burnout to a better way

Thomas SmallwoodThomas Smallwood started his career working in a bookstore before setting up an online business with his dad, selling used books online. When the business failed, he started stacking supermarket shelves at night to pay the mortgage, worked in a call centre, and then co-founded and sold another company. In 2016, he decided to quit what he calls the rat race and re-design his life in a way that gives him more freedom and flexibility, more time in the outdoors, and a rediscovery of what really makes him happy.

1) At what moment did you decide it was time for a change?

I think I was suffering from burnout but it crept up, gradually – it wasn’t anything that happened overnight. I actually left one job and went into another thinking that, “Okay, I wasn’t happy in that other one, I’ll go into another job and that’s going to resolve everything!” It was far from the case. I needed to rediscover my love of work and my love of life in a sense.

I felt that I needed to ‘reset’ myself and refocus on the things I love doing. In my private life, that has meant rediscovering the outdoors; in my professional life, it has meant being a little bit more entrepreneurial. That all sounds well organised but it was a messy year and a half in which I worked this out. There was no one moment, except when I phoned up and resigned and said, “Okay, that’s enough.”

I didn’t work for a couple of months – but I can’t not do anything! So I set up my website, The Armchair Mountaineer, as a way to keep myself busy and do stuff that interests me. I sat down and asked myself: what were the things that I enjoyed when I was 18 and penniless? And I used to go into the mountains with my friends. Of course, no one was reading the blog when I first set it up but it was something for me to do and think about. It ended up as a blog that’s now documenting my journey.

2) What was the biggest challenge you faced in making the change?

Fear, unquestionably. I’ve always suffered from a lack of self-confidence – I’m hardly unique in that, I think. I was fairly good at masking it at work, within that framework of the corporate life. But when you go out and do things on your own, there’s absolutely nowhere to hide. So, the biggest challenge has been dealing with the fear of wanting to make a change, of wanting to, in effect, redesign my life.

At every step of the way, the decisions that I make are entirely down to me. Although now, professionally speaking, I’m also working with other people and I enjoy that. But you know you can’t necessarily turn to someone else and ask, “Hey, what’s the best thing we should do now?” You just have to dive in!

3) Where did you get the support you needed to make it happen?

Thomas with his daughter and an elephant
Thomas’ wife has been a huge support through his transition, which has also meant that he now has more time to spend with her and with their daughter

My family – my wife, and I would say my daughter but she doesn’t really have a clue what’s going on, as she’s six years old! It’s a massive decision to step away from the ‘normal’ world of work and, although we were very fortunate that we had some financial security, it was good to have the most important person in my life there supporting me along the way.

Outside of that, it has been tricky. It might be because I don’t live in London, as I feel like it’s easier there to get into some kind of support community and to meet like-minded people. I do have a couple of supportive friends, one of whom is pretty entrepreneurial. He’s been a great support – when I’ve been having a bad day, quite often we’ll just have a chat for half an hour and it makes me feel better about things.

It’s really important to surround yourself with positive people, people who encourage you in what you’re doing. Co-working spaces can be good, just to meet human beings when you’re otherwise largely working from home. It’s good to get out there and meet people.

Facebook groups and communities can be good too. The Yes Tribe, for example, and there’s another one I would like to mention, Coffee with Dan, which is more geared towards entrepreneurs and not to everyone’s taste.

4) What’s the best part of your lifestyle today?

It’s been pretty much exactly a year now, and I feel like I’m learning more than ever before. There are loads of ups and downs, and it really is an ongoing process. There’s an excitement that comes with the potential of the projects I’m working on, and this has enabled me to rediscover my passion for working while having the flexibility in my private life. I can get up at 6.30 am, do an hour of journaling, planning, writing, brainstorming, whatever; then I can get my daughter ready and do the school run; and I’m back before 9 am to have a coffee with my wife before I sit down to work again. It’s just such a nice way to start the day, every day, instead of being crammed onto a train!

Kayak in the woods
Having a paddle! One of the perks of Thomas’ re-design…

On a bigger scale, I also get to travel a bit more with my family, around the school holidays. I can take my work with me, and fortunately my wife can as well – so it’s really about the flexibility. I also get to spend more time in the outdoors, even if it’s just going down to my local river five minutes from my house and having a paddle. How simple is that?

5) What one piece of advice would you give to someone who is considering making a big career or lifestyle change?

I gave myself a year – this year, 2017 – to change the way I live and work. I think giving myself this time was one of the best things I could have done, and I would encourage anyone who wants to make a change to have both patience and resilience. At the same time, it can’t be open-ended. I think you need to put a little pressure on yourself – otherwise, you risk doing nothing. Of course, there are financial pressures as well, which mean you can’t always just walk away. It’s a process, first, to get to the moment of committing to the change, and then it’s a process to implement it.

Once you’ve made the decision in your mind that you want to change things, look for ways of doing it and begin to implement it Get involved in the process – maybe through adding certain elements into your routine, sharing it with other people so that it becomes public, or joining communities of like-minded people. You need to do something that builds up positive pressure on you to actually go through with the change. Like in all journeys –  physical, mental, or metaphorical – the first step is the hardest and once you start you are much more likely to finish! But it’s not going to happen overnight.

Also, one exercise that I do fairly regularly is to just take stock of what I’ve done over the last few months. It can be really banal things, like that I’ve learned something about email automation, to take a random example. When you start to make these kinds of lists, then you realise how much you can learn and progress over time.

You can find Tom’s blog and learn how he’s ‘finding a way to live better’ over at armchairmountaineer.com. You can also find out more about his latest startup, which helps entrepreneurs and small businesses to grow with Virtual Personal Assistants.

Fearless Fridays: From prestige to style (and horses)

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Fearless Fridays with Rachel ReunisI’m happy to share a new career transition story, this month telling another tale of leaving the corporate 9 to 5 to follow your passion and ‘scratch the itch’ of working for yourself. Rachel Reunis, who I know from my time at Procter & Gamble (P&G), had a ‘perfect storm’ of factors coming together that led her to quit her full-time job and embrace a ‘now-or-never’ change that has involved setting up her own consulting business as well as pursuing her love of horses.

Like many of us, Rachel really liked her job for many years, she loved the business of luxury and beautiful products and learned a lot during her time in the big corporation. Over time, though, changes in the organisation, a change in her role and some stirrings within her culminated in a decision to quit without a concrete plan of what to do next. The decision itself, she says, is easy – it’s what happens next that can be a bit more tricky!

We talked about the struggle of choosing one idea when you have lots of different ideas and interests; the need to remember what’s important to you so you don’t get distracted by other people’s promotions and job titles and shiny social media presence; and the difficulty of staying focused and positive when the stuff you’re putting out there doesn’t do as well as you had hoped and no one is telling you that you’re doing a good job.

I’m a big fan of portfolio careers, which involve a combination of different skills and roles. Having a portfolio career means that you are keeping things interesting with a variety of projects and clients, you are diversifying your income across different types of work, and, if nothing else, you are bringing in income by leveraging your skills and experience from your corporate job while you build something new that you are even more passionate about. In Rachel’s case, she has a really complimentary portfolio of being an influencer in the equestrian fashion space on the one hand with providing small business consulting to others in that space on the other.

 

Leaving a corporate job behind to follow your passion: From prestige to style (and horses)

Rachel ReunisRachel Reunis worked at Procter & Gamble for nine years, having already gained some work experience prior to that. During this time she worked in Prestige Products, the perfume/cosmetics department of P&G, in a number of different global sales and marketing roles. Having quit her job to ‘scratch the itch’ of working for herself, today she is developing a portfolio career that involves fashion and horses on the one hand and small business consulting on the other.

1) At what moment did you decide it was time for a change?

Well, it was like a perfect storm of things coming together, to be very honest. I had been up for promotion for quite some time. I was doing okay, at least I was doing okay according to my standards, but, unfortunately, sometimes corporate standards are not completely in line with your personal standards. This I started seeing over the last year or two that I was working at P&G. When I came into P&G, I was not the standard ‘straight-out-of-university’ recruit, and I always felt like I never really got that moulding that a lot of people get, and that’s how they actually survive better in that type of corporate environment.

I guess nine years of survival still is pretty good, but I always felt like I wasn’t the ‘good soldier’. I often questioned things, and I unfortunately also often questioned them out loud, which wasn’t always the thing to do. It was again for me personally the right thing to do, but for the corporate environment, maybe not. And over the last year or two I had had an amazing time in one of my previous roles, and then I got put into a role where I didn’t feel quite comfortable. It just started coming together to a point that I thought, “Maybe this is just not for me, maybe I should just try and find a different corporation or do something for myself where I really feel that I can follow my own path and my own values.”

Again, that doesn’t mean that P&G weren’t good to me. They were very good to me, at the end as well. Apparently, they did appreciate what I did, but I just didn’t quite see that anymore at the end. But I left also at a time that the department was being sold, and strangely, I already felt that the year or two before, that something was in the pipeline but we just were not allowed to know about it yet. That’s probably also where the discomfort came from – because I knew we were doing things that were not really good for the company. I kept saying something about it, but there was quite frankly no point because we were going to be sold anyway.

That was a strange time, and it took me a while actually after leaving P&G to get over that and realign my gut feeling back with my brain, that they actually do work together and that it is okay to question things. I had to use that time for reflection to help me through that. That took about six or nine months, quite frankly, and then I tried to figure out what I wanted to do, and that’s where I am right now.

It was an amazing school, it was better than school because it was hands on. You had to do it. And P&G was one of those companies that did, not always but usually, allow you to make a mistake or two. You could give it a go, you could try things, you could be strangely entrepreneurial within a huge business. Again, at the end that became a little bit more difficult, and I think that’s what then started to bug me a little bit: “Okay but wait a minute, I was allowed to do this for six or seven years, why not now?” Anyway, so we now know. Hindsight is 20/20, right?

So it was a perfect storm of circumstances internal and external, but at that time it was quite uncomfortable.

And it was the right time. I think it could have gotten worse. We parted as friends, and I’m happy that I didn’t stay longer because I think I might have started to resent the situation. It was okay. It was good.

2) What was the biggest challenge you faced in making the change?

Strangely, making the decision to leave was remarkably easy. I’m very much a person that thinks things over a million times. The moment I say it, it’s already pretty much done. I mulled this over a gazillion times, talked it over with my husband, talked it through with my friends, and then the moment I announced it, it was as if this huge weight lifted off my shoulders. It was this like, ‘Ah, okay I’m done,’ and it was absolutely wonderful. Again, there are people who thrive in the business and people who are still there. For a lot of people, it still works (or it doesn’t and they stay, but that’s a different story). But for me, it was done, and it was just so nice to be able to say it.

Rachel Reunis on Instagram
Rachel has a huge and active following on Instagram and she had to turn her notifications off so as not to be completely overwhelmed and distracted!

Now after, that is when it became hard. If you do spend nine years in corporate heaven, and a couple of years before that within big companies as well, that’s how you’re wired. Working on your own, trying to figure out what the priorities are, what you really want to do, what is important, what is good, what is not, without having your annual review and your data to back you up – it’s really hard! I’m quite… let’s call it insecure in that sense. I like numbers because they don’t lie, and if they’re above 100 then it’s good, and if they’re under 100 then it’s not good! But in this individual working environment you don’t always have those numbers, so you really need to review how you figure out what’s good, what’s success… That has been really hard.

Also, I was completely lost, because I had many, many ideas – which is a luxury, and it’s part of who I am, but it also makes for chaos and it’s really hard to figure out what you want to do. Plus, I always love everything, so when people say, “Oh, you could do this,” I think, “Oh yeah, I could do that too.” Guess what: you can’t! You really do have to focus on just one or two things and do them well, and one or two or three things can still be a very nice portfolio career – and that’s where I find myself at the moment. But I sometimes need to be careful not to go, “Oh, this is cool,” and go completely in the other direction and then forget what I was actually doing.

3) Where did you get the support you needed to make it happen?

I have a husband who deserves a medal or two, he has been very understanding about these dips – because they just do happen. But he is actually one of the people who was most supportive of me leaving the company. He, quite frankly, had a very miserable bunny coming home on a daily basis! He said, “Right, that’s it. Enough. You hate it. Don’t worry, we’ll make it work one way or another. Quit.” I thought, “Hmm, okay.” And now, still, I don’t have a fixed income. I rely on if I have a customer or not this month, and even then he says, “You know what, go for it. We’ll make it work.” I’m the one who lies awake at night! He doesn’t, bless him.

My parents are also very understanding, which I thought they wouldn’t be. That’s really funny. My parents are relatively traditional in the sense that my mom worked from home and was a teacher, and my dad had a 35-year corporate career with the same company. Now if you grow up with that, that is your example, so my mum had a very steady job, flexible and part-time, but still she knew what she was doing, she enjoyed that, and my dad was always with the same company. Now you come into a P&G, you see yourself becoming your father, and thinking, “I’m not entirely sure if this is the right path for me.” And I was so scared to broach that subject in the very beginning, to talk to my parents and say: “This is not what I would see myself doing for the next 35 years,” but, guess what, they just went, “No, we didn’t think so either.” And now they are very supportive. I call my dad on a regular basis just to kind of ping pong some ideas back and forth, and it’s great.

I guess the fear was in my head – but you should listen to your gut feeling and not to your head every once in a while!

4) What’s the best part of your lifestyle today?

Freedom. Flexibility. On top of that, I also ride other people’s horses for them, so talk about a portfolio career. I would have never been able to do that if I had a 9-to-5 job. It’s already hard enough to combine just one horse with a full-time job, let alone two or three. Three this morning, actually! It’s something I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy, and being with the horses is also my little bit of ‘disconnect time’. Most of my life takes place online, either in a Skype call or on Instagram or whatever I need to do, it’s all in front of a screen. Being with the horses is my, “I’m not here right now!” And I love doing it. So yeah, the flexibility of having the time to add that into the mix as well is absolutely magnificent.

Rachel Reunis with her horse
Rachel’s two loves: her horse, and her husband (not pictured).

It was a bit of a ‘now-or-never’ thing because I had just left, we were financially okay, and I thought, “You know what? If I don’t do it now, I will continue to overthink this for the next five years, and it’s just not going to happen.” So I did it. I now have a very beautiful money-eating machine standing out on top of the hill, who I love to bits. And talking about a support system, I pay for it but I think it’s been part of my support system as well. It gave me a sense of purpose on days that I quite frankly felt useless and didn’t want to get out of bed after leaving the company like that. You have to put some pants on and you have to go to the horse because it will not ride itself. That has been really good as well, and on the bad days it just kind of perks you up and it feels good and it’s wonderful. I can recommend it!

Strangely, it all came together, and if I look back now on how I used to look at things… It’s funny, but that’s why I don’t understand why people get tattoos! They’re there for life, but your life changes, and you should let it change – because what if I was still stuck there? I don’t think I would be very happy. So again, hindsight’s 20/20, I know that now. It looked very different about a year and a half ago – but it’s good!

5) What one piece of advice would you give to someone who is considering making a big career or lifestyle change?

It’s about facing the beast head on. If you’re already on your way to being burnt out and you are unhappy, it will happen. You need to face it head on, and you need to be incredibly honest with yourself. Why am I doing this? For whom am I doing this? And is this really what fits with my core values? Do I really want to sacrifice what I believe in for the good of the company?

Now, if the answer is, “I’m fine with that,” then that’s perfectly fine. Then continue! Maybe you just had a bad boss or a bad month, and then you just need to talk about it and move on. But if that feeling continues to nag, there is something that’s just not matching, it doesn’t line up with what you feel and what you think you should be doing, then you will burn out unless you face it. And facing it can be done in many different ways. ‘Facing it’ can mean learning to deal with it or realising that the situation is temporary, or realising that this might never change and it’s time to go. In my case, time to go, and it was fine. At the end of the day, it was actually perfectly fine.

And I think that’s really important, realising that it’s okay. It is okay to not feel comfortable in a job. It is okay to feel like it’s time for a change, and it’s really, really, okay to take a decision that doesn’t work out very well, because then something else will come along. Nobody’s going to tell you that it’s wrong – or they might tell you that it’s wrong but then maybe they want to leave as well, so you never really know what’s behind that kind of feedback. It’s okay.

If you want to follow Rachel’s new horse life, you can find her on Instagram, on Facebook, and on her website. Her consulting business lives on this website.

 

Fearless Fridays: From finance to cycling and creating a community

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Fearless Fridays with George BeesleyI’ve got another great interview for you this month, this one’s with George Beesley. He quit his job in finance to get away from the spreadsheets and explore if there might be something more meaningful that he could do in his work.

George is around 3,000 miles into a cycle tour from Alaska to Argentina, 4 months out of an expected 18-month journey. We’ve been staying in touch for weeks trying to find a time that would work and we finally found a slot where George was staying in the same place for a few days and had Wi-Fi. Hurrah! When I spoke to him, he was freezing cold in a garage – you have to suffer for your art!

We had a great conversation about all sorts of things that I couldn’t capture fully in the written version of the interview, so I do encourage you to watch the full video.

A few of the things that I think are especially important to draw out:

First, the importance of self-care, of following the airline safety advice to “put your oxygen mask on yourself before you help others”. But if you push yourself too hard, you’ll inevitably reach burnout at some point and you’ll be doing yourself and those other people who you’re so desperately trying to help a disservice. We put so much pressure on ourselves to be the absolutely best person that we can be, but sometimes a bit of patience and self-compassion can be in order as we take a step back from all that goal setting and pushing forward.

Next, we put pressure not just on ourselves but also on individual areas of our lives, asking them to deliver absolutely everything we need. For all our talk of the importance of finding meaningful and fulfilling work, it’s too much pressure to put on ourselves and on that job or business to expect that our work can bring us all-encompassing happiness and fulfilment, as we neglect other areas of our lives. What are we going to do all those days we’re not at work? The same goes for a partner: it’s a lot of pressure to expect one person to be your lover, your friend, your coach, your adviser, your whatever other role that you’re expecting them to fill. A happy and fulfilling life (If you’re interested in this, I’m exploring this over on my website onestepoutside.com, through the 5Ls of Live – Love – Learn – Lead – Laugh.)

We also talked a lot about the value of travel in opening up your perspectives of what’s possible, as you meet people of all ages making all kinds of different choices, experiencing life in all sorts of different ways. And that it doesn’t have to be a mega-trip across the world! It can be a mini-adventure, a weekend away… just finding those little ways in which you can get out of your daily routine and see something different.

Read on and watch the interview below!

Leaving a corporate job behind to follow your passion: From finance to cycling

 

George BeesleyGeorge Beesley started working in finance straight after university. He had studied economics and “that was what everyone was doing”. He quickly realised that it probably wasn’t where he wanted to spend the best years of his life, and with some extra encouragement from his yoga-teacher girlfriend he quit last year. Right now, they’re cycle touring together from Alaska to Argentina, a journey of around 17,000 miles. They’re raising money for the Stroke Association, while George has also started a podcast that he’s running along the way.  In terms of what’s next after the trip, he wants to see how the podcast goes and he has a big vision around setting up community centres with the aim of replacing some of the sense of community and structure that religion used to give us.

1) At what moment did you decide it was time for a change?

I went to Yestival in 2016 and Dave Cornthwaite, the organiser, was saying, “Look, now is the time, if you’ve had a dream or something that you really want to do that you’ve been putting off, commit in front of hundreds of people and then you will be chased to do have to it.” I found myself walking up to the front and then I just said, “I’ve always wanted to start a podcast. I’m going to have do it, now that I’ve done this!”

In terms of quitting finance, I’d never planned to stay in a professional job, I’d always wanted to be an entrepreneur and start businesses – but I felt like I lacked experience. And the idea that made me think, “This is the one that I want to put a lot of time, effort and resources into.” So I took that job as more of a learning experience and a chance to meet people, make contacts and move down to London.

So I always knew that I wasn’t going to stay.

Then I qualified (as a Chartered Financial Analyst, CFA). And my girlfriend also hated London, so she was trying to get me out of it, every single minute of the day!

And then my best friend, my mentor and my manager at work, all the same guy, left. He was really helping me with my development in all sorts of fields. (Big shoutout to Vish Hindocha!) He left and then I just felt very uninspired and I lacked energy. It was sort of a safe job for a lot of people, there was no energy or excitement in the day-to-day.

That got me a little bit involved in the adventure community, with people doing that kind of stuff and I heard about my friend Henry quitting his job and cycling from London to Sydney* and I asked myself, “Well, is this really the best way that I can be spending my time right now? What do I want to do?” It wasn’t spreadsheets and risk management and conference calls.

[*Henry has now set up an adventure business, We Are Explorers.]

So, I just thought, “You know what? I’m going to take the leap, go for it.” The thing is, you can always go back, if you want to. There are a lot of companies that you can work for in finance management. That’s going to be there, but the opportunity to do a huge trip like this, 18 months away, without a mortgage, kids or anything like that, any big tie…now was the time to do it. So I decided, “Yeah, let’s just go for it.”

2) What was the biggest challenge you faced in making the change?

Sacrificing security is always difficult.

Then my dad had a stroke a while ago, so I moved back home from London, to help out at home and do a little bit of my own life coaching back there. But I was working full-time, I had a couple of businesses, starting a podcast, life coaching, social life, girlfriend and hobbies. I just got a bit burnt out, I sort of thought that I was this endless ball of energy and then finally found my limit. I realised I needed to do something different.

I think the hardest thing for me was probably leaving my family when I felt like I could offer value and help them out, while I was back home. But, also, it was a bit of a double-edged sword, I think in Buddhism they call it ‘naïve kindness’: if you give a lot and then you end up burning yourself out then you can no longer give anymore; you have to be aware of your own state of mind and wellness as well.

So I wanted to leave, but also, I felt, “Should I be leaving right now?” I felt like they needed me, but things seemed good enough, back home and plateaued, they wanted me to go… So that was difficult – but I’m super glad that I did.

3) Where did you get the support you needed to make it happen?

With making the move to quit work, there’s generally been a stigma against that, especially from our parents’ generation, where the idea was, “You’re lucky to have a job, you’ll have a job for life. Stay in it and appreciate it.” Now, it’s changed. There’s still a bit of a hangover from that – when you tell people that you quit a fancy-sounding job, to go and live in a tent and cycle around and interview people, they’re like, “Hmm, that’s a bit strange.”

Cycle touring in BC
You left spreadsheets in foggy London behind for this, George? What were you thinking?!

But Escape the City was pretty cool, it was a nice atmosphere, with encouraging people to say, “Look, it doesn’t matter if you don’t know what the next step is, just take the leap.” The YesTribe, Yestival, was great too. That was a good support network and as I mentioned, my girlfriend was trying to drag me away, so she was always just highlighting the great things about quitting your job and following a passion and starting a podcast. That definitely helped, too!

And then, I think a few long conversations with myself. Just going out for long walks in nature and thinking. I consumed a lot of content, podcasts, and so on. And I just thought: “Is it really that big a deal if I quit my job right now?” I sort of just realised that the answer was “No.” As we said before, the opportunity will always be there, to go back. So, there didn’t really seem like a good reason not to.

4) What’s the best part of your lifestyle today?

I guess there are two sides, there is the podcasting and then the cycle touring.

The podcasting is an amazing excuse to talk to awesome people. You’d never normally be able to monopolise that much of their time, an hour or two hours with somebody who’s doing something really cool, these guys who I would love to get an audience with. And it gives a great opportunity to skip the small talk as well, because it feels a bit like an interview – then you don’t have to talk about the weather and sports. You can get right in there and you can be like, “Boom, what’s the meaning of life? What’s the most important thing that you’ve found?” That’s amazing, I love doing that. Meeting people like Sean Conway and Benedict Allen and all these guys who I admired.

Also to learn to scratch my own itch. I wanted to know, “How do you make a living from adventure and your passion? How do people get paid to do things I thought I would pay for? Things that are fun.” That’s really cool.

Then, cycle touring… You meet new people every day and you get to travel, two things that I really love.

Travelling always just smashes those misconceptions that you have about people, like coming into the States, into Montana, a red state and all the Trump supporters. We definitely had some misconceptions! We actually cycled over the border, from a fairly liberal place in Canada. That same day, we got down into Montana, into a mining village where it’s pretty conservative.  The first lady that we saw had this t-shirt on and it said, “Trump, built tough.” And she was lovely, she was a really nice lady! She bought us beers and she let us stay in her garden for free. I love that kind of stuff: just because they have some, what I think are wacky, ideas, it doesn’t mean that they’re not nice people.

It’s also about getting out of your normal experience, to realise: you don’t have to live like this. Most of the time that you’ve spent growing up in a particular environment, you download a certain culture. You download the culture that you should work hard, you should get a job, all the things that we’ve talked about. Whereas, you go to a lot of different parts of the world and you go to Brazil and people are like, “No, you should go surfing and smoke some weed and do some yoga. Just have fun!”

You meet artists and creatives and people who are living in yurts and this whole other way of living life, that you don’t really have exposure to back home. Natives who are still living a more hunter-gatherer type of life, when you go to the jungle. Then you can ask yourself, “What are the best bits that I can take from all these communities and bring them into the way that I live?”

5) What one piece of advice would you give to someone who is considering making a big career or lifestyle change?

Don’t just blindly follow your passion. There are a lot of people out there who are trying to offer help and advice to people and some of it is more thoughtful than others; some of it applies more to certain types of people than others.

So, you’ll hear somebody like Alan Watts and his famous talk on YouTube, his lecture that’s everywhere now, on What If Money Was No Object?  Then there are people like Joseph Campbell, who said to “Follow your bliss”. These are authors who I love and who I really respect – but that’s one side of the equation. On the other side of the spectrum, you have people like Derek Sivers and the 80000 Hours organisation, who are saying, “That’s a part of the equation; but also look what you’re good at, look at how you can offer the most value to society.” Because real happiness, which I think is what most people are sort of aiming towards, doesn’t just come from doing something that you find fun all the time.

I really like Daniel Pink’s book, Drive, and the idea that motivation comes from autonomy, mastery and purpose. Mastery: what is something that you really want to get good at? What is something that you can spend a long time on? But also, purpose: does this really matter? Say you love skiing, you could go and be a ski instructor – that’s great for some people, but you need to think, “Does that have the element of purpose that I need? Do I feel like I’m helping people?” We all tend to feel a lot better when we think that we’re impacting the world around us positively.

So I think you should look at what you really enjoy, what your passion is, but also, what are you good at? What is going to feel like it’s fulfilling at a higher level? Somewhere in between all of those things, you’ll probably find the best move for you.

Also: it doesn’t always work out. In finance, they call it the survivorship bias, that you only tend to see the companies who win. You only read the biographies of the winners, of the people like Richard Branson, who took a gamble and then made one of the most successful businesses in the world. But they’re outliers, they’re not the norm. Statistically, it’s very unlikely, almost impossible, that you’ll be one of those people if you follow your passion. But that’s not to say don’t try.

We’re putting so much pressure on work to fulfil all of these human needs. We have this huge demand that, “My job must give me every single thing and make me feel like I’m living my ultimate life.” It’s a huge ask, to find a job like that. Some people do it, but it’s very, very difficult. Again, it’s only part of the equation – what are you spending the rest of your time doing? I think Al Humphreys gives the example that you have about 130 days a year when you’re not at work, with weekends, bank holidays and your own holiday from work. So, you can spend nearly a third of the year doing stuff that’s not work! How can you try and reach whatever your goals are or self-actualise outside of work? How can you spend your time? Do you want to volunteer? Is that going to give you a greater sense of purpose in the world? It puts so much pressure on you if you just look for a job that’s going to give you every single need.

When it comes to starting a business, one little bit of advice on that would be to try and start it and test it as much as you can, while you’re still in your full-time job. Seth Godin talks about “the dip”: whenever you start anything new and exciting, you’d be having a great time, because you’re working on a new idea; then, after a while, it starts to get really, really hard… If you want something to really succeed, you have to be willing to wait out the dip and get to the other side, when you start to get the payoff with your business becomes successful, you get regular customers and so on.

So while you’re still in your full-time job, test your ideas, start selling, build a website. As soon as the money starts coming in, then the stress can start to build. So make the transition when you have some kind of proof of concept.

George Beesley podcastYou can find out more about George’s podcast and the cycle tour on the website weneedmoreheroes.co and on Instagram.